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	<title>Comments on: The practical difference between RPI and CPI for benefits</title>
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		<title>By: Dave McClements</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave McClements</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 10:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the &quot;good&quot; news!!!

As for me I will be challenging through the courts these Con/Lib cowboys about their INTENDED plan to switch from RPI to CPI.

I believe I signed up and contributed  for 20 odd years to a Pension Scheme that CLEARLY STATED that my annual rise was linked to RPI and NOT CPI.  

I have not seen, nor been made aware that any new law or laws have been passed to implement this new change?
I suspect I am on a &quot;hiding&quot; to nothing as most of the Public are either not aware of the INTENDED implications, or just don&#039;t care.

What are the Trade Unions doing about this issue, nothing I suspect, just driving around pro-porting to be acting on my behalf ina big fast car?

Johnny two jags come to mind with anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the &#8220;good&#8221; news!!!</p>
<p>As for me I will be challenging through the courts these Con/Lib cowboys about their INTENDED plan to switch from RPI to CPI.</p>
<p>I believe I signed up and contributed  for 20 odd years to a Pension Scheme that CLEARLY STATED that my annual rise was linked to RPI and NOT CPI.  </p>
<p>I have not seen, nor been made aware that any new law or laws have been passed to implement this new change?<br />
I suspect I am on a &#8220;hiding&#8221; to nothing as most of the Public are either not aware of the INTENDED implications, or just don&#8217;t care.</p>
<p>What are the Trade Unions doing about this issue, nothing I suspect, just driving around pro-porting to be acting on my behalf ina big fast car?</p>
<p>Johnny two jags come to mind with anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Stanley</title>
		<link>http://touchstoneblog.org.uk/2010/06/the-difference-betwen-rpi-and-cpi/comment-page-1/#comment-16892</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Stanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 10:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave

This will apply to current pensioners. 

In future your pension will go up in line with CPI, not RPI.

It will not be retrospectively applied to previous pension increases. The pension you receive now will be upgraded in future by CPI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave</p>
<p>This will apply to current pensioners. </p>
<p>In future your pension will go up in line with CPI, not RPI.</p>
<p>It will not be retrospectively applied to previous pension increases. The pension you receive now will be upgraded in future by CPI.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave McClements</title>
		<link>http://touchstoneblog.org.uk/2010/06/the-difference-betwen-rpi-and-cpi/comment-page-1/#comment-16891</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave McClements</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 09:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could anyone of you kind people please tell me whether or not the change for pensions from RPI to CPI is retrospective?

I am currently aged 61 and have been receiving my NHS Pension since 2004.
No one appears to be asking the &quot;people&quot; ie This Con/Lib cowboy outfit the most obvious and important question of all which as mentioned in this post is simply whether or not the &quot;proposed&quot; change is retrospective or are current recipients protected?

Regards

Dave McClements</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could anyone of you kind people please tell me whether or not the change for pensions from RPI to CPI is retrospective?</p>
<p>I am currently aged 61 and have been receiving my NHS Pension since 2004.<br />
No one appears to be asking the &#8220;people&#8221; ie This Con/Lib cowboy outfit the most obvious and important question of all which as mentioned in this post is simply whether or not the &#8220;proposed&#8221; change is retrospective or are current recipients protected?</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>Dave McClements</p>
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		<title>By: ONS downgrades the Retail Price Index &#124; ToUChstone blog: A public policy blog from the TUC</title>
		<link>http://touchstoneblog.org.uk/2010/06/the-difference-betwen-rpi-and-cpi/comment-page-1/#comment-14188</link>
		<dc:creator>ONS downgrades the Retail Price Index &#124; ToUChstone blog: A public policy blog from the TUC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 12:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Retail Price Index when calculating how much benefits need to rise to inflation-proof them. As Nigel, Bryn Davies and I have been reporting, uprating benefits and tax credits by CPI will reduce their [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the Retail Price Index when calculating how much benefits need to rise to inflation-proof them. As Nigel, Bryn Davies and I have been reporting, uprating benefits and tax credits by CPI will reduce their [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Benefits leave people in poverty and government policy will make this worse &#124; ToUChstone blog: A public policy blog from the TUC</title>
		<link>http://touchstoneblog.org.uk/2010/06/the-difference-betwen-rpi-and-cpi/comment-page-1/#comment-13761</link>
		<dc:creator>Benefits leave people in poverty and government policy will make this worse &#124; ToUChstone blog: A public policy blog from the TUC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 21:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Coalition’s new policy on uprating will make things even worse. Nigel and I have blogged about how the change to CPI for uprating benefits will lead to lower benefits, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Coalition’s new policy on uprating will make things even worse. Nigel and I have blogged about how the change to CPI for uprating benefits will lead to lower benefits, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: What your public sector pension would now be worth if it had been linked to CPI &#124; ToUChstone blog: A public policy blog from the TUC</title>
		<link>http://touchstoneblog.org.uk/2010/06/the-difference-betwen-rpi-and-cpi/comment-page-1/#comment-13681</link>
		<dc:creator>What your public sector pension would now be worth if it had been linked to CPI &#124; ToUChstone blog: A public policy blog from the TUC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 22:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have already noted that changing the price inflation index to CPI in benefits, public sector pensions and the state [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have already noted that changing the price inflation index to CPI in benefits, public sector pensions and the state [...]</p>
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		<title>By: aplus video to xbox</title>
		<link>http://touchstoneblog.org.uk/2010/06/the-difference-betwen-rpi-and-cpi/comment-page-1/#comment-13542</link>
		<dc:creator>aplus video to xbox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 04:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;blurayripper...&lt;/strong&gt;

Great post Paul. I think you&#039;re definitely on to something here....</description>
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<p>Great post Paul. I think you&#8217;re definitely on to something here&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Spurgeon</title>
		<link>http://touchstoneblog.org.uk/2010/06/the-difference-betwen-rpi-and-cpi/comment-page-1/#comment-13184</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Spurgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 12:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I retired from NHS 11 years ago. At the time I was given a pension scheme booklet: &quot;Notes for pensioners and their dependants&quot;. To precis, It states:

 &quot;Your pension is increased by the same percentage as SERPS (now &quot;Additional State Pension&quot;). This is based on the rise in retail prices&quot;.

Although the booklet also states it is not a full statement of the law governing the NHS scheme it seems pretty clear to me that I was promised a link to RPI !!! I kept my side of the bargain and much more in terms of the commitment I made to the NHS. So much for the payback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I retired from NHS 11 years ago. At the time I was given a pension scheme booklet: &#8220;Notes for pensioners and their dependants&#8221;. To precis, It states:</p>
<p> &#8220;Your pension is increased by the same percentage as SERPS (now &#8220;Additional State Pension&#8221;). This is based on the rise in retail prices&#8221;.</p>
<p>Although the booklet also states it is not a full statement of the law governing the NHS scheme it seems pretty clear to me that I was promised a link to RPI !!! I kept my side of the bargain and much more in terms of the commitment I made to the NHS. So much for the payback.</p>
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		<title>By: Pauline Pollard</title>
		<link>http://touchstoneblog.org.uk/2010/06/the-difference-betwen-rpi-and-cpi/comment-page-1/#comment-12587</link>
		<dc:creator>Pauline Pollard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jun 2010 00:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its not just benefits but public sector pensions that are linked to CPI and not RPI from now on.  I contributed 9% of my income and topped this up to 15% of my income so that I would have a pension above benefits.  I particularly feel it is unfair that I was encouraged to contribute additional income. It cost my thousands of pounds and now it is likely that I will finally become dependent on benefits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its not just benefits but public sector pensions that are linked to CPI and not RPI from now on.  I contributed 9% of my income and topped this up to 15% of my income so that I would have a pension above benefits.  I particularly feel it is unfair that I was encouraged to contribute additional income. It cost my thousands of pounds and now it is likely that I will finally become dependent on benefits.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Stanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel Stanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I understand it, the announcement in the budget only applies to the public sector pensions run by central government. It is not yet clear whether this will also apply to the other public sector schemes such as yours.

However I would not be surprised if other schemes attempt to follow suit in both the private and public sector if their rules allow them to do so. There is still some doubt about the legality of such moves, even if it clear that in moral terms this is an attack on the accrued benefits that you thought you had saved for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I understand it, the announcement in the budget only applies to the public sector pensions run by central government. It is not yet clear whether this will also apply to the other public sector schemes such as yours.</p>
<p>However I would not be surprised if other schemes attempt to follow suit in both the private and public sector if their rules allow them to do so. There is still some doubt about the legality of such moves, even if it clear that in moral terms this is an attack on the accrued benefits that you thought you had saved for.</p>
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		<title>By: pauline wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>pauline wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am already receiving a local government pension - can you tell me whether the link to cpi will apply to my pension as currently it is linked to rpi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am already receiving a local government pension &#8211; can you tell me whether the link to cpi will apply to my pension as currently it is linked to rpi</p>
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		<title>By: CPI, RPI and public sector pensions &#124; ToUChstone blog: A public policy blog from the TUC</title>
		<link>http://touchstoneblog.org.uk/2010/06/the-difference-betwen-rpi-and-cpi/comment-page-1/#comment-10691</link>
		<dc:creator>CPI, RPI and public sector pensions &#124; ToUChstone blog: A public policy blog from the TUC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 17:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in future public service pensions in payment will be linked to CPI rather than RPI. Richard and I blogged about what this means yesterday. (And thanks to commenter Paul for pointing this out [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in future public service pensions in payment will be linked to CPI rather than RPI. Richard and I blogged about what this means yesterday. (And thanks to commenter Paul for pointing this out [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Stanley</title>
		<link>http://touchstoneblog.org.uk/2010/06/the-difference-betwen-rpi-and-cpi/comment-page-1/#comment-10629</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Stanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 11:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve checked and you&#039;re right. We missed that.

Coincidentally a journalist rang just after your comment and we&#039;ve said this:

“Linking increases in current public service pensions to CPI rather than RPI in future comes as a bolt from the blue. 

While current public sector staff are braced for attacks on the pensions they build up in future, ministers have said that they would protect accrued benefits.

The link to RPI is a benefit that pensioners have already paid for – the definition of an accrued benefit. A link to CPI will slice a bit off their pension most years.

And as most public service pensions are less than about £5,000 a year, this will hit many pensioners with low to modest incomes.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve checked and you&#8217;re right. We missed that.</p>
<p>Coincidentally a journalist rang just after your comment and we&#8217;ve said this:</p>
<p>“Linking increases in current public service pensions to CPI rather than RPI in future comes as a bolt from the blue. </p>
<p>While current public sector staff are braced for attacks on the pensions they build up in future, ministers have said that they would protect accrued benefits.</p>
<p>The link to RPI is a benefit that pensioners have already paid for – the definition of an accrued benefit. A link to CPI will slice a bit off their pension most years.</p>
<p>And as most public service pensions are less than about £5,000 a year, this will hit many pensioners with low to modest incomes.”</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Beswick</title>
		<link>http://touchstoneblog.org.uk/2010/06/the-difference-betwen-rpi-and-cpi/comment-page-1/#comment-10626</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Beswick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 11:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it was in the budget. You&#039;ll find it in the Guardian supplement today or the BBC website.
These changes to &#039;benefits, tax credits and public service pensions will save £6bn per year by the end of the Parliament&#039; - so it shows how much they will withdraw from these payments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it was in the budget. You&#8217;ll find it in the Guardian supplement today or the BBC website.<br />
These changes to &#8216;benefits, tax credits and public service pensions will save £6bn per year by the end of the Parliament&#8217; &#8211; so it shows how much they will withdraw from these payments.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Stanley</title>
		<link>http://touchstoneblog.org.uk/2010/06/the-difference-betwen-rpi-and-cpi/comment-page-1/#comment-10618</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Stanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 11:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d not seen that future public service pensions will be linked to CPI - that would seem to be a breach of accrued benefits. Do you have a source for this Paul?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d not seen that future public service pensions will be linked to CPI &#8211; that would seem to be a breach of accrued benefits. Do you have a source for this Paul?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Beswick</title>
		<link>http://touchstoneblog.org.uk/2010/06/the-difference-betwen-rpi-and-cpi/comment-page-1/#comment-10614</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Beswick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 10:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This change is a big concern for public sector pensioners. If the CPI averages 1% less than the RPI, then the pensions will 9% lower after 10 years and 18% lower after 20 years than would have been the case with RPI updating. If the difference is 2% between RPI and CPI the losses would be 17.7% and 32% after 10 and 20 years respectively. These figures also apply to benefits of course. The small differences over a year do not look so serious but over the longer term, these reductions are very substantial. One should also note that pensioners&#039; inflation tends to be higher than for the population as a whole because of their spending paterns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This change is a big concern for public sector pensioners. If the CPI averages 1% less than the RPI, then the pensions will 9% lower after 10 years and 18% lower after 20 years than would have been the case with RPI updating. If the difference is 2% between RPI and CPI the losses would be 17.7% and 32% after 10 and 20 years respectively. These figures also apply to benefits of course. The small differences over a year do not look so serious but over the longer term, these reductions are very substantial. One should also note that pensioners&#8217; inflation tends to be higher than for the population as a whole because of their spending paterns.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 07:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was also brought too my attention that how much would the value of benefits be worth if the Government are going to calculate them on CPI Rather than RPI. However,  is there any way of calculating TAX Credits? Currently I am claiming around 3000 pounds a year but its based on RPI how much would this be worth if it was measured on CPI?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was also brought too my attention that how much would the value of benefits be worth if the Government are going to calculate them on CPI Rather than RPI. However,  is there any way of calculating TAX Credits? Currently I am claiming around 3000 pounds a year but its based on RPI how much would this be worth if it was measured on CPI?</p>
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		<title>By: petermcd</title>
		<link>http://touchstoneblog.org.uk/2010/06/the-difference-betwen-rpi-and-cpi/comment-page-1/#comment-10472</link>
		<dc:creator>petermcd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 21:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for simplifying a very difficult concept to grasp.
Basically the poorest are getting it right up them yet again. 2.5% rise in V.A.T and a reduction in benefits when they are most needed.The fat get fatter and the poor get fucked over yet again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for simplifying a very difficult concept to grasp.<br />
Basically the poorest are getting it right up them yet again. 2.5% rise in V.A.T and a reduction in benefits when they are most needed.The fat get fatter and the poor get fucked over yet again.</p>
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